I'm inconsistent I must say
Sometimes I'm really proud of what I make, and others are iffy
But the thing is, the ones in proud of don't seem to get the response I think they would, but the iffy ones get the reaction I wanted...if I was proud of it
It's weird but, can't complain I suppose
For me they started when I got the hang of the site, usually its 3 months - 1 year when stuff starts feeling normal.
Me personally I was in the 1-2 year range, and @lostpst was in the 2-3 month range, it really depends on what you know music theory wise.
interesting topic! I'm wondering what "good" or "legit" means at all though and I'd like to learn more about that. How do you evaluate if it's good or legit? What are the characteristics for a good track?
It took me about a year to not sound bad (to myself) And I am currently working on sounding good. I find remixing other tracks (thanks Jetdarc!) Helps you learn advanced techniques, which in turn speeds up your process. Collaboration can have the same effect.
its all based on opinion. a track is never truly good, its only praised in bulk, or the opposite. the characteristics that you enjoy in a track are what make it a good song for you. if you are musically inclined and very creative and artistic, then you begin to appreciate good songs that arent even that good to you, but you can still recognize talent.
Thanks a lot! So, if the overall opinion on the quality of a track (as good or bad) relies on the amount of appreciation given (or the opposite) - can you specify characteristics for the evaluation of a track on audiotool? independently from the individual evaluation: what characterizes a good track or a bad track on audiotool?
When the songs started"not sounding bad" (at least to me) I liked what I was producing and became comfortable showing it to other people. I feel like a song begins to sound good when it begins to sound professional. (Mixing your songs, applying more advanced effects, etc.) If you look at my first few songs, you can see that the quality is lower than my later ones. I think my more recent songs don't sound bad. (Perhaps this is me just being too harsh a critic of myself, but who knows)
mainly i think it just relies on how much effort someone put into their song. most songs that had a lot of time and effort spent on it usually sound pretty good. there are also songs that have a lot of emotion and soul in it as well. theres also the amount of layers and effects and the amount of tweaks and the changing of sounds to take in account. there can also be little things thrown into many songs that you can barely notice, but if you pay attention you can hear the smallest things in some songs that just make them so much better.
you can take any of these characteristics into account when evaluating a song. this shouldnt mean that you should try to do all of these, you should try to keep doing things and adding more and more and changing things and experimenting until you get something that you really really enjoy. if you already have that sound, that is awesome.
anonymous user
2020-06-17 22:25 · 2020-06-17
Thanks for all your replies so far.
anonymous user
2020-06-19 03:34 · 2020-06-19
I think that feeling of not sounding 'good' is something you will always have. With every track you feel you get closer, but forever. It's fuel for constant improvement!
Confidence in your work is important too though. Instead of shooting for good, shoot for best. Saying it's not good is a lie, whereas wanting to make it the best is a goal
I think that my tracks sounded good when I actually put effort into production... that being said I've always loved my songs even if they were a bit... crunchy or lofi.
So around last year in march, I decided to go on clyp.it and listen to what they've got and holy shit was I blown away. It felt like the artists that were featured there were on a completely different level than me, but still closer than 100% professional, and I had to step back and question myself like "Man, wtf am I doing? I want to get as good or maybe even surpass these guys" And I knew I could if I put in the extra effort. One thing led to another, I got inspiration from some great ass people there, and I eventually came out with Carnelian, one of my best tracks ever. Then after that, I started to make more music around the quality of Carnelian, and that is where I am today production wise. For Chiptune, its a different story.
I think there are different levels I've reached where I can say things started sounding good. I think after about 2 years my tracks started sounding good compositionally/stylistically. In those 2 years, my mixes went from horrible to passable but still not good. I think I can say after about 4 years my mixing, sound design, and composition ability were well-rounded enough for me to call my music consistently good for the most part. It's sort of a complicated question since there's always a lot of room for growth, and the ability to learn other genres and really master them and put your spin on them is not easy.
There's basically a certain point where your mixing, sound design, and composition skills have to all be good enough or even one or two are really good and make up for the other so that most listeners can agree that what you're making is good. And I think it generally takes a lot of people a few years of consistent producing to get there.
Thanks, didn't know clyp.it - how did that affect your music making on audiotool after you got the kind of "external inspiration" from clyp? how did this turn out to be observed by the community?
Sorry for the late reply, but after I got that inspiration, I started really really focusing on making my tracks the best that I could make them. I also devoted a LOT more time to sound design, which led to even more good ideas clicking in my head. I've never really given a track my all on Audiotool until Carnelian, Tetrilax, etc, but once I did, I felt like my own personal bar raised in terms of what I thought of my musical skills, and I know that I still have a long way to go and there are so many imperfections in my music, as there is with everyone, but I just felt so proud of myself for surpassing my own expectations at the time. As for how the community reacted, when I first released Carnelian, i'm pretty sure nobody was expecting it at all, especially from me, even when I said I was releasing a big track on my wall beforehand. It did receive a LOT of positive feedback though. After that, I released Astral Aurora and Tetrilax, and I think at that point, my follower count started exploding, my remix competitions had more activity, and I was no longer so underrated in the Audiotool community.
I'd say 2017-18 was when I noticed an improvement to my skills and production. I've improved since then but I've learned more about Audiotool in the past year and a half than the entire time I've been on here.
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Wrong board.
My apologies.
never
realistically 2- years later
Interesting. Thanks for the answer.
jokes on you im still waiting for that day
relatable
I'm inconsistent I must say
Sometimes I'm really proud of what I make, and others are iffy
But the thing is, the ones in proud of don't seem to get the response I think they would, but the iffy ones get the reaction I wanted...if I was proud of it
It's weird but, can't complain I suppose
Thanks for the reply, man.
For me they started when I got the hang of the site, usually its 3 months - 1 year when stuff starts feeling normal.
Me personally I was in the 1-2 year range, and @lostpst was in the 2-3 month range, it really depends on what you know music theory wise.
Nah fam
Took me about up until now to get decent sounding tracks
I am talking about AT
not FL
Oh yeah
You rite then
Shut you're mouth Vizil
interesting topic! I'm wondering what "good" or "legit" means at all though and I'd like to learn more about that. How do you evaluate if it's good or legit? What are the characteristics for a good track?
Never lmao
It took me about a year to not sound bad (to myself) And I am currently working on sounding good. I find remixing other tracks (thanks Jetdarc!) Helps you learn advanced techniques, which in turn speeds up your process. Collaboration can have the same effect.
As always, remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
i'd say in a bit over a year
though nothing i'd be proud of until like 2 years
probably towards the end of last year.
its all based on opinion. a track is never truly good, its only praised in bulk, or the opposite. the characteristics that you enjoy in a track are what make it a good song for you. if you are musically inclined and very creative and artistic, then you begin to appreciate good songs that arent even that good to you, but you can still recognize talent.
Thanks a lot! So, if the overall opinion on the quality of a track (as good or bad) relies on the amount of appreciation given (or the opposite) - can you specify characteristics for the evaluation of a track on audiotool? independently from the individual evaluation: what characterizes a good track or a bad track on audiotool?
What's the difference between "not sounding bad" and actually "sounding good" for you?
When the songs started"not sounding bad" (at least to me) I liked what I was producing and became comfortable showing it to other people. I feel like a song begins to sound good when it begins to sound professional. (Mixing your songs, applying more advanced effects, etc.) If you look at my first few songs, you can see that the quality is lower than my later ones. I think my more recent songs don't sound bad. (Perhaps this is me just being too harsh a critic of myself, but who knows)
For example, your song "Just take it downtempo" Is one I would consider good, even though I don't know much about the genre.
mainly i think it just relies on how much effort someone put into their song. most songs that had a lot of time and effort spent on it usually sound pretty good. there are also songs that have a lot of emotion and soul in it as well. theres also the amount of layers and effects and the amount of tweaks and the changing of sounds to take in account. there can also be little things thrown into many songs that you can barely notice, but if you pay attention you can hear the smallest things in some songs that just make them so much better.
you can take any of these characteristics into account when evaluating a song. this shouldnt mean that you should try to do all of these, you should try to keep doing things and adding more and more and changing things and experimenting until you get something that you really really enjoy. if you already have that sound, that is awesome.
Thanks for all your replies so far.
I think that feeling of not sounding 'good' is something you will always have. With every track you feel you get closer, but forever. It's fuel for constant improvement!
Confidence in your work is important too though. Instead of shooting for good, shoot for best. Saying it's not good is a lie, whereas wanting to make it the best is a goal
I think that my tracks sounded good when I actually put effort into production... that being said I've always loved my songs even if they were a bit... crunchy or lofi.
After breakfast
Still room to grow. Some fail the car speakers Test
I've noticed how most big audiotoolers, who make good music tend to have been at it for about 5 years
so I have a cutoff point, if I'm not happy with the stuff I make by them, I'm quitting production, and I'm gonna learn how anime CG porn lol
that would be around late 2022
like December 2022
"I've noticed how most big audiotoolers, who make good music tend to have been at it for about 5 years"
What about me? lol
Ah, so mastered so that it still sounds good in my car and I should stop skipping meals to have more time to produce.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Which of my songs would you say is the most well-produced?
Danke.
Interesting.
XD
I said most lol
The trap v techno one has some good ideas in it
i'd say i started really getting good in mid 2019
Danke. But something is missing... What is it?
Beautiful.
Your coffee should boost you up
In the end of 2019, I started improving on my dj-mixes, and actual song mixdowns. Now, I'm scrambling too many drafts at once, gives you a headache
You're pretty good, dude!
Don't know because i like some of my oldest tracks and find some of my older stuff better sounding then my newer stuff
Interesting.
how is it that you can break it down to that time? what happened / changed in your music making?
So around last year in march, I decided to go on clyp.it and listen to what they've got and holy shit was I blown away. It felt like the artists that were featured there were on a completely different level than me, but still closer than 100% professional, and I had to step back and question myself like "Man, wtf am I doing? I want to get as good or maybe even surpass these guys" And I knew I could if I put in the extra effort. One thing led to another, I got inspiration from some great ass people there, and I eventually came out with Carnelian, one of my best tracks ever. Then after that, I started to make more music around the quality of Carnelian, and that is where I am today production wise. For Chiptune, its a different story.
When I outsourced all the work to other peop- I mean held live collabs.
https://www.audiotool.com/track/bplvshk6alg/
(and the coffin dance remix i guess)
https://www.audiotool.com/track/qn5p2cfb/
I'm in the process of making my second song and it sounds pretty good.
Just I accidently made it 17 minutes long.
Ha.
That used to happen to me a lot.
since collaborating with people but now i make my own sound inspirited by multiple here on at.
I think there are different levels I've reached where I can say things started sounding good. I think after about 2 years my tracks started sounding good compositionally/stylistically. In those 2 years, my mixes went from horrible to passable but still not good. I think I can say after about 4 years my mixing, sound design, and composition ability were well-rounded enough for me to call my music consistently good for the most part. It's sort of a complicated question since there's always a lot of room for growth, and the ability to learn other genres and really master them and put your spin on them is not easy.
There's basically a certain point where your mixing, sound design, and composition skills have to all be good enough or even one or two are really good and make up for the other so that most listeners can agree that what you're making is good. And I think it generally takes a lot of people a few years of consistent producing to get there.
Thanks, didn't know clyp.it - how did that affect your music making on audiotool after you got the kind of "external inspiration" from clyp? how did this turn out to be observed by the community?
Thanks, abstract.
2 years ago was my answer in the past and it still is.
The same goes with things I say on the internet; anything I say now will become cringeworthy in 2 years.
Sorry for the late reply, but after I got that inspiration, I started really really focusing on making my tracks the best that I could make them. I also devoted a LOT more time to sound design, which led to even more good ideas clicking in my head. I've never really given a track my all on Audiotool until Carnelian, Tetrilax, etc, but once I did, I felt like my own personal bar raised in terms of what I thought of my musical skills, and I know that I still have a long way to go and there are so many imperfections in my music, as there is with everyone, but I just felt so proud of myself for surpassing my own expectations at the time. As for how the community reacted, when I first released Carnelian, i'm pretty sure nobody was expecting it at all, especially from me, even when I said I was releasing a big track on my wall beforehand. It did receive a LOT of positive feedback though. After that, I released Astral Aurora and Tetrilax, and I think at that point, my follower count started exploding, my remix competitions had more activity, and I was no longer so underrated in the Audiotool community.
Thanks, Jetdarc.
Lol.
But true, though.
i think a year or two after i started using audiotool
what happened then?
never
I'd say 2017-18 was when I noticed an improvement to my skills and production. I've improved since then but I've learned more about Audiotool in the past year and a half than the entire time I've been on here.
Never.
Lololol (jk ig)
nobody knows
I'm sounding better, but I wouldn't say they sounding all that good
Same...
Very humble.