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We're planning a major overhaul of the music genres

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We're planning a major overhaul of the music genres

TL;DR Genres will be replaced by classification tags which can be assigned by the artist and all listeners.

The introduction of the genres was a big step forward to find the music you like. It enabled us to provide you with a fresh stream of related tracks and weekly charts.

About one year after the introduction, we all made experiences showing some shortcomings of the current implementation: important genres are missing from the list, some genres are overcrowded while others seem to be dead, users were starting to abuse other genres to chart without any competition, lack of understanding of the genres, ...

We thought about several updates to mitigate those problems but every solution raised new questions. So we stepped back to re-evaluate the entire situation.

Some of our main challenges:

  • Genres are never sharp categories and their definition even changes over time
  • Avoid single-track niche-genres
  • Include sub-genres and fusion-genres in search
  • Add requested genres easily
  • Charts
  • Abuse

Taking one more step back we realized that the main function of the genres is to find similar music. But there are even more measures to group tracks together: moods, situations, XY type beat, ... and they all overlap. Lots of users already added those additional information to their tracks using the tags.

To cut a long story short: We are going to convert everything into tags - even the genres. While this seems to be a step backwards, we also introduce mechanisms to find related tags and allow everyone to assign tags to any track they want.

So in future one can express: "Hey that makes me wanna #dance", "Sounds like #hip hop and I like the #rap part", "I like that for #workout" (the full text expression is just for explanation - you'd just click on the #tag)

The more input you provide the better the results when looking for #dance music or a specific genre. We can even provide #dance charts or #workout playlists.

There are still some open challenges and there will be lots of WTF moments during the transition. But we believe we're heading towards a globally better solution.

Q/A

How to combat tag trolls? Users will get some kind a trust-level which affects the weight of their tag-choice. If we recognize that someone is abusing the system they will get their trust-level reduced. We can even automatically detect if users are consequently diverging from the community's choice and reduce their trust-level based on that. That also works vice versa: users that are known to have a good sense for the right tags may get a boost of their level. We might also want to enable tagging only if the user actually listened to n seconds or x % of the track.

What happens if 100 listeners select 1000 different tags? Only the most popular tags will be shown. So if 10 users add #sad and one user adds #melancholic, all will be taken into account internally but #melancholic might be hidden. (both tags are considered to be similar btw)

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    The Fourth Dimension uwu

    17 hours ago

    i cant believe that its been over a year since they added genres, and its only felt like a few months ago.

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    FRED♪

    3 days ago

    Very careful planning I see

    No rush

    Perfect the system

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    CeᖇiXyn

    2 weeks ago

    i might be the only one to ask for SUB GENRES, SUB GENRES.

    (Don't tell me the cons i already know em all)

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    ProdigyKani dons the mask

    4 weeks ago

    Does this mean a "Video Game" genre might be added?

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    CRIPPLING COMPRESSION

    about 3 months ago

    the other question I have is what happens when someone is just really bad at categorizing their music.

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    Ҟ₣IÐANƵA21

    about 4 months ago

    very good

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    Known As I stays home

    about 6 months ago

    By the end of 2019 we re-prioritized some changes in favor of a redesign of the website. The implementation of this feature will be deferred.

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    DEATH-STYLE-DJ

    about 7 months ago

    Yes please do it I don't have a clue what genre I am doing.

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    TruGenz

    about 9 months ago

    will audiotool have a downloadable app?

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    Known As I stays home

    about 10 months ago

    I was wondering if we should re-visit all existing chart placements after the overhaul. There are a lot of unjustified placements because of purposely wrong genre associations. This makes previous charts kinda useless in lots of cases.

    What do you think?

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      Vizil

      about 9 months ago

      do it please because i don't understand the genres i make

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      FRED♪

      about 10 months ago

      Yes

      do it

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      gabbo

      about 10 months ago

      do it

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    CRIPPLING COMPRESSION

    about 10 months ago

    Am I the only one who found it hilarious how easy it is to chart on reggae, oh well those days are gone now, and I know ppl who are going take this post too seriously, no I’m not advocating to keep the old genre system calm down

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      CRIPPLING COMPRESSION

      about 3 months ago

      honestly its common practice, reggae is the meme genre on this site, and no amount of downvoting will change that

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      CRIPPLING COMPRESSION

      about 3 months ago

      like how I got downvoted, and then someone else put another meme in the reggae genre, and no one complains lol, makes sense.

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      CRIPPLING COMPRESSION

      about 7 months ago

      Hope y’all realize that’s a meme

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    Known As I stays home

    about 11 months ago

    me: "computer: what means #rain to our community?"

    computer: "soothing, quiet, calm, peace, calming, lullaby, nature, soft, dreaming, gentle, relaxing, bird, wind, water, emotion, dream, rose, thunder, sea, sleep, chillax, hopeful, peaceful, slow, crazy bout u, beautiful, chilling, relax, beauty, atmosphere, days, eyes, dr, lost, static, inspiring, thoughts, zen, ocean, pretty, reverb, paradise, memories, morning, aeiter, kevinwire, lovely, dramatic, melancholic, idea, hope, echo, opaqity, depressing, emotional, warm, serenity, winter, pad, story, falling, past, mellow, minor, spring, mr, chimes, tears, ..."

    me: "Wow! Well done, community!"

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    UzehGotBeats!!** [FL]

    about 11 months ago

    this is pretty good :)

    i was thinking charts needed an update, and i agree with everything.

    but i do have one problem: how will people find new music?

    in the current charts, only a few artists rule the charts because of their popularity. how will other artists compete? just a question.

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