I think at this point, it's well known that I'm kind of a big noise music enthusiast. I've always had a knack for the macabre and noise music is a method of expressing certain emotions and exploring sound in a very raw, abstract and experimental way. But what is noise? That is the question I've been asking myself a bunch. Scientifically, we could slam it into the category of either ALL sound or specifically that which is human created. In music, it is historically unwanted sounds in compositions. Regarded by the "higher classical society" as primitive, unbrideled, vulgar and perhaps laughable. As Torben Sangild put it (as far as I remember): "Noise is anything that the audience regards as such. What was considered unpleasant sound yesterday is not today." And that remains true for the entirety of music history.
Venus Theory explored the evolution of music in terms of color in his the future of music is noise YT video. What is pointed out is one phenomenon in the evolution of music. Where back in the day, the main focus was on melody, we have gradually moved more towards color to carry the meaning and change in music. The hight of this phenomenon arrived in the 20th century.
Then, slowly, came industrial music. Harsh, distorted sounds, feedback and so on. This noise was graually adapted into punk rock, creating no wave and several forms of extreme music. And that inspired what is known as noise music today. But all these experiments have completely diffused into today's music. Across many genres, we hear the things that came from these experimental musicians. Scheaffer, Varése and Stockhousen were distant pioneers in what we make now... EDM, ironically.
Noise has a lot of power in today's environment imho. On here on AT, and outside it has been the voice of social injustice, an all too real violence and mental health struggles (as in the works of Uboa, Prurient, Pharmakon and many more). Noise doesn't shy away from the rawest of all expressions, which is the contrast between the conventional pop attitudes. And it can be a weapon to disrupt the flow of AI, where it threatens to take the littlemoney musicians get. The dadaists fought against the commercionalization of art that way, we could too.
The current environment for musicians is hostile. Megacorporations are starting to own most of what we have, create larger and larger gaps between the people and the rich. Nothing new, but it's getting increasingly more apparent that the regular population is losing control to post-capitalism. AI could devalue what we do, but we can fight back. Make music "unreadable" to AI, corrupt it through changes, atonality, abstraction, distorting what music is and could be. neo-bruitist music should be:
1. Abstract - the world suffers from extremes. It's generally good to see the world and its phenomena in a more complex lense. Many strange tonalities, atonality, ambiance, pulse-less or highly variable. Music should reflect that. The more it is that, the less will AI be able to understand it (in theory).
2. Bodily/natural - Bring back nature into music. Noise doesn't need to be loud, it can, but it doesn't need to be. Making music through the body, through acoustic instruments, making music through nature, making music live, eliminating the electronic could be a grounding experience. AI exists in electronics, not life outside of it.
3. New - The best way is forward. We all borrow from the past, but we need to incorporate new sentiments that reflect our world today. What has not been tried before must be tried. Noise doesn't need to be dissonant. Noise doesn't need to be inharmonic/atonal.
4. Unapologetic - Music has always been about expressing emotions. Post-industrial noise tends to be very negative. It is understandeable, but perhaps it doesn't need to be. Let's bring some range back into it. From happiness to complete neutrality.
5. Unreadable to AI - I'd love to figure out a way to disrupt music from being able to be stolen that way.
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Could be. I was thinking perhaps with moving towards complete abstraction things get impossible for AI to read. The current models may not be able to rip the diy scene off right now, but who knows how things will be in the future...
My thoughts right here dabble more in the extremes tho IG. Either way, the best and completely first line of defense is to just make the music yourself in general. Any subversion and act of humanity in this is good.
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Here's my thoughts on this
There's never going to be a way to prevent AI from scrapping music
Corrupting the training data is already possible but what's going to stop some corporation from hiring someone to just replicate the sounds.
synplant is a fun example of what I'm describing and that's just a plug and play VST.
There's countless resources on replicating anything you hear now.
Give it five more years and AI will be capable of making what ever you want
Just feed some samples for training data and it'll spit out what ever you desire lol
"What has not been tried before must be tried."
AI can help achieve this
People always forget AI is a tool when you ignore the corporate aspect behind it all.
With that being said innovation in the experimental aspect of sound design will never not evolve
it'll just stay niche among producers until they pick up the new techniques and make them main stream which will then lead to corporations harvesting it.
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It is what deadmau5 was saying too. Still, even if you rule out any financial compensation for the service which artists provide, it's a fight against a system that adapts. And money will always adapt.
Creating culture like this is hard work and should be seen as such. We'd be much better off in a society that doesn't require you to work at a job you despise, just so you can maybe get a few hours experimenting with music in a week. This is the thing we actually enjoy doing as human beings. Can't we have some demands as people?
Alas, such is the cycle of things though.
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I honestly see it as a win
all forms of art and creative media are currently being flooded by AI
The oversaturation in the market killed creativity
Everyone sounds like everyone.
I was talking to some friends about this last night
If AI threatens your ability to grow then by all means stop pursuing the hobby as a means of making income.
People will need to adapt and grow and this is simply a way to weed out those who can't make any innovation
A very amazing tutorial on youtube about sound design said this
"You don't need to be the next anything. Instead. Strive to be the first YOU"
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I'm not entirely opposed to using AI creatively. Just think we should not forget the roots of music and its value in society. Generating what you want is hardly rewarding. Much less than putting your hands to work, let alone creating something with other people. I am quite painfully aware that this innovation can't be stopped and that it will be as natural to music as sampling is nowadays. It was scary for the old heads when it started too. Sandburgen made me quite aware of that.
I just think AI is much closer to devaluing music as an artform. It won't succeed, that is true. But at least make the use of AI interesting in some way. Use it as material and not the end-all product. Plus, with sampling you could at least hunt the OG down in some way. That gives credit to the artist, no matter how marginal that is. AI threatens to put the artist completely out of the equasion. I fear that the listeners will not be too critical of what they are consuming further down the line.
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I hope to someday help you with this, somehow.
i was thinking abt the ai side of things recently and i dont think noise / experimental music is strictly necessary to combat the problem but rather a more diy sound in general. ai is usually trying to recreate the pop standard sound. we have the option to branch out our own standard: something grittier and flawed and impulsive and real. hopefully yk what im referring to with this but there's already a sorta sound that's been developing from the diy scene since like 2021 that i dont think ai is capable of properly reproducing without it being kind of a shit estimation